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Yeah buddy, Merry X-mas to me - finally got a 4x4 for the backroads...(EDIT) Price : 2100 FRN's

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q...4/PICT0359.jpg

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:5_1_120:

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Looks sweet AD, congrats.

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Very nice AD

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Old Chevy's rule! :ok:

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Awesome, but that red will stick out like a sore thumb in the woods. You might want to camo it out.

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:ok:

http://offroadworld.tenmagazines.com...ntn/144959.jpg

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Rare photo of AD

http://www.aboutfacesentertainers.co...ting/camo2.jpg

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1976 - Chevy Blazer K5 : Auto 350-cid- also, I think it has the NP-203 transfer case (full time 4wd)w/shift pattern L-loc, L, N, H, and H-loc on the floor. Oh and I got the original owner's manual, too.

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How much did it set you back?? T

$2100 FRN's - picked it up in Oklahoma on X-mas eve. Good use of paper ehh ?

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Not to worry......the red is faded and due for a re-paint (to another color of course - i.e. drab olive). Also have some rust issues under each door to fix as well but the price was right.

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Thanks guys, I just bought a Cherokee 4X, it has minor surface rust issues and I just so happen to know a body paint guy that is starving for FRN's and owes me a favor. Excellent idea, camo it is!

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Mine is the luxury model

88 K-5 Silverrado, 6.2 Diesel. AC, power winders, and leather interior.

I have a complete 5.7 rebuilt and ready to drop in if the diesel fails (which it will).

http://www.the3006cafe.org/forum/stuff/K5front.jpg

http://www.the3006cafe.org/forum/stuff/K5leftside.jpg

http://www.the3006cafe.org/forum/stuff/K5rightrear.jpg

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Here's the pic from the back........oh this one has the Cheyenne package which is cool I guess but not why I bought the truck. Anyhow, the possibilities are endless so keep those IDEAS posting !!! :beer:

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q...4/PICT0347.jpg

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Awesome :beer:

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Living in Fla does have some advantages. No rust and rot to worry about, plus those pics of the snow falling gave me the shivers. :biggrin:

127k original miles, garage kept till needed.

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If you plan to do any towing or hauling might want to check into a transmission oil cooler, like this http://parts.leftlanenews.com/auto-p...405-oil-cooler

Supposed to do wonders for extending the life of the transmission and it's way cheaper than having to rebuild one.

Nice truck AD!

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Some of believe when SHTF the price of gas will skyrocket.

So the OP buys a gas guzzler?

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looks good.

how many miles does it have before it needs some money put into it ?

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Congrats. Something like this is definitely on my buy list.

http://www.eastwoodco.com/

These guys have some of the best rust treatments and coatings in the business. You're gonna need em.

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Who cares about gas price when you only need to go a little distance......and be able to roll over zombies in the streets...and push little crappy hybrids out of the way.

A.G. - beef up the brush bars!

Oh....paint on the back bumper in stencil block letters...."Suck my Fumes - you Freakin' Hippies!"

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76 K5's have 31 gallon tanks I believe, in which case the cost differential is offset by capacity. Even at a rated 10mpg that's 300 miles - plenty of juice to get into the woods away from the low clearance bottom dwellers. Good score Argent! I've had four Blazers and love them - if you haven't done it already change to synthetic oil - they live longer.

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BTW: Excellent $/lb value on that base metal investment.

Nothing like 80 MPH in a 2.5 ton truck.....slurping a pint of gasoline every 45 seconds......go to your sink an slowly empty a 0.5 L bottle of water in 45 seconds....that is what the old girl is doing at highway speed with gasoline.....through a carb....

L O V E I T !

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:cry1:Never thought of the Base Metal Intrinsic value of this beast, but you're right ! Also, even with a hybrid flex-fuel girlie-man suv - once you load 'er up with thousands of pounds of ammo, guns, and survival equipment, I believe the gas mileage goes to pot anyhow (assuming you could even fit all your equipment on board).

........

Oh and for mrnhtbr2232, you're correct on the 31-gallon tank. :ok:

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A couple of 20 litre Jerry cans and a roof rack for spare and cans

http://ecom.toyota-gib.com/images/Database/731.jpg
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I don't plan on Going anywhere when SHTF
But
We traded in our 2x4 Titan for this Luxury model little 4x4 for my wife to drive.
Gets good gas mileage
http://www.toyotainthenews.com/wp-co...oyota-rav4.jpg

The heated leather seats felt good Last Nite :biggrin:

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My 5,700 lb. K-5 (above) gets about 14 mpg of diesel. I keep 10 gal. in the back. Don't have the brush bars just yet, but I will sometime this year.

Believe me its LOUD, and the Civics change lanes when I pull up behind them.

Very good use of toilet paper..

Fun ride to drive, addicting.

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Here's mine (like the one I have quick access to, anyway).20 minutes to it then off to my off-road vehicle...I think..LOL
Give me your 20, AD, and I'll give you aerial recon

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Ken - you can just mail your man-card to G-Khan....once he get's it he will close out your GIM account.....


I had the heated seats on in our Pontiac Moan-tana last night....made by butt feel cozy.

BTW: you own me some recipes and those fabric swatches you promised....

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http://mseewv.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/man-card.jpg
Place thanks votes here if you think his card should be revoked.

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LMAO:4_1_72:
Hey! Its My wifes Car!!!

Besides I don't need a manly car :smile:


Edit; And....I saw that reply comming...and didn't really care:bear_rolleyes:

edit #2 I was kinda asking for it wasn't I?

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That's what they all say. :wink:

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Nice!
that should take you wherever you need to go.
K5's are easy to find parts for and are a breeze to work on; >tough trucks<
++++ plus> they look nice <.
Bonus, your blazer is already lifted and has great looking tires!
4/4ing is FuN! :signs1:
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I had a 77 Jimmy with a 400 small block back in the early 80's. Great truck, almost unstoppable with good tires (I had BF Goodrich mud terrains) and a lift. With a new intake, carb and headers, I managed to squeeze out a couple more mpg to almost 11:4_1_72:

I never did like the full time 4wd, as the transfer case chain was prone to stretching, especially with the torque of the 400.

I now have a vintage 72 Blazer with the gear drive NP 205 case as my SHTF vehicle, along with my Dodge diesel and JD tractor.

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http://cmgonline.com/images/stories/...KLR650_RHS.jpg

My SHTF vehicle.
I can ride approx. 450 miles on one 6 gallon fill-up.

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You're dealing with a tough crowd here, Ken!

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Don't worry, we love Ken, with or without his "man card".

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AD,
Looks like the spare is mounted left rear. That means if you wanted to, you could carry a second spare on the right rear. I might know where you can get the carrier that just bolts in place. Out of the M1009 Blazer. Here's what she looks like.

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350 gas engine
NP205 or NP208 (if the 'transfer case stick' is straight up it's a 205, if it leans forward towards the firewall, it's a 208)
TH400 transmission (if automatic)
3.08: gear ratio's (probably - assuming Dana 44 axles)
31 gallon fuel tank

Your transfer case sounds like an NP208 - you can swap in an NP205 if you wanted to

Your tranny will probably be the TH400 three speed - you can swap in a 700R4 if you wanted to

You can swap in a 40 gallon fuel tank - go to LMCTrucks.com and look at the Suburban of this era (73 - 91) and you will see a 40 gallon fuel tank that WILL drop in between the rails, though you will need longer bolts that hold the straps together. Other than that, it should drop right in.

AD, these are sweet trucks. If you take care of it, it will take care of you. Mine is the military version M1009 1985 Blazer 6.2L TH400 NP208 w/Dana 44's running 3.08 ratio's and I flat love mine with 65k miles on it.

Not fast, but certainly has never had any problem being a 'soccer mom's' ride.

Good job.

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Truck looks good! Hope you enjoy it.

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Those rust issues are dead easy to fix with a little help from a LMC catalog. Unlike many new vehicles, the floor pans and such have minimal rounding and replace easily. Rockers and doorskins are likewise easy to obtain and install. Even a mediocre handyman with a half decent mig welder can do a respectable job of it.

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You, Sir, have remakably good taste in motorcycles!:ok::15_1_70v:
Here's mine:Attachment 84610

Click the vid, here's why.

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Sweet!

A buddy of mine had a '76, looked just like yours, but wasn't diesel. He went everywhere in it, and when he broke something, it was an easy fix. We ran it all across the Mojave in the 80's, right before Feinstein closed off half the desert. He sold it 20 years ago, and still regrets not having it today.

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I have owned 1970's-1987 style Blazers and pickups...Too rust prone and too piggish on gasoline...Also, with "limited slip", they are not really that great in off road situations either, (from what I found in mountainous terrain)

If anyone wants a REAL American vehicle that will go literally anywhere and take your breath, get an M35A2 military "deuce"..

I recently bought three of these 2.5 ton trucks from the US Military through GL and one five ton...In fact, I just went out and started the one I am keeping after a long, exhilarating road drive.

Prices were in the $1800 range basically directly from the federal government... They are multifuel diesel/veggie oil/kerosene, etc....They are ten wheel drive, will climb a tree and then haul the tree off...Money in the bank seeing as how I got the invoice from the federal government that they paid $46,500 for these trucks when they bought them new..

You cannot imagine how tough and large these trucks are...I already sold the five ton, but I'll sell the other two of the four that I bought and keep the single winch deuce that I bought with nothing in it... I already sold an M54A2 five ton truck and made enough for a l o n g Key West vacation.....:4_8_4v:

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Been there. Done that.

The only real problem with a deuce is that come SHTF, there's not a dozen of them that you can scavenge parts off of in every junk yard across America.

That's WHY I sold it and went with the Blazer/Pickup trucks. Parts are everywhere.

Plus I've been storing parts for quite a while.

Can't fault a deuce. But when it's broken, without SPECIFIC parts you are hosed. And like I said, I just couldn't see finding the part I'm looking for a deuce in Joes Auto Salvage. I could be wrong.

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Who cares if parts are everywhere if they won't get out of their own way in snowy weather? ...I have owned a 72 Blazer, a 76 Blazer and an 85 truck, all 4WD...They suck in the snow and pretty much in the mud too..They look like they'll climb a tree, but that's as far as it goes in a really tight spot.

They gulp gasoline...They won't really go that well and the will rust away as you look at them..

As to "parts being everywhere" for these Blazers....Hardly...Maybe ten years ago, but they are becoming surprisingly scarce in junkyards locally...Most have rusted out and been scrapped long ago..

As to parts for my deuce, I am buying a parts deuce that I'll store on my other property that has an old rock quarry on it....That way, I'll have everything I need in the way of parts...Plus a local junkyard in the Sequatchie valley TN has sveral of these at the back of their lot.

There is simply no comparison for a military M35A2 deuce and a rusty civilian blazer/jimmy.....None...

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Dec 09 and you are shi##ing in his corn flakes, come on now.


Nice rig BTW!

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Then you don't know how to drive them.

I LIVE in the Rocky Mountains. This body style IS IT as far as I'm concerned.

From Suburbans that got 18 mpg to my 6.2L J-code engined Blazer (M1009), Dually (M1028A2), and maintenance truck (M1031). The Blazer gets 18 mpg or better. The dually gets 15 mpg at 60 mph and 10 mpg at 65 mph. Same for the maintenance truck.

And it will get that REGARDLESS of the load.

Snow or mud? If you can't drive a Blazer properly equiped for the conditions, an extra driving axle ain't gonna help you any.

I've driven my Blazer with snow coming over the front hood. I've driven Suburbans in almost EVERY kind of situation and weather the likes of which you can't imagine. From snow storms, to tornados, hurricanes, sand storms and they have NEVER failed me. My Suburban got me home with a broken tranny. 800 miles. Try using prolong. It will help get you home - it did me.

Like I said, not dissing deuces. Been there. Done that. But parts are NOT all over the place. And what happens when that parts deuce is 'missing' that one part you just gotta have to get on the road. You are done.

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Here is my bugout vehicle.

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That's your opinion....I live near the Smokey Mountains...When I was younger, I thought they were the greatest thing in the world....Now? Not so much..

15 MPG is nothing to brag about for a 3500 pound vehicle that burns gasoline only...These are civilian vehicles that are not made to take front line combat abuse...Just because they have green paint doesn't make them military designed. These Blazers are simply off the shelf vehicles that were painted green for US military support functions..

If they were as great as you said, then they would have replaced the Jeep and the Hummvee...

As does the M35A2....

Good for you....And for every heroic story like yours, I can show you 250 rusted out Blazers going by my house on a trailer on the way to Rockwood, (crusher)..

Depends on how prepared you want to be....A couple of $500 parts deuces stored away and you are set...These Blazers are not NEARLY as common in junkyards as they once were and will be even less so in ten years...Most have simply rusted out and have been scrapped...

They are not the salvation that they are made out to be...

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Wife unit has one too, but a bit smaller! :applause_:ok:
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I want the one with the big gas tank

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Gotta agree with you on the Blazers and the Deuces.

We have three of them. They have been down for years now due to brake issues.

Brakes seem to be a particular problem with them.

AG seems to be in love with his new toy.... this too shall pass.
They are rough, crude, uncomfortable and loud. So loud that you cannot have a conversation in the cab.

Have fun with that monster AG just remember ALWAYS START DOWN HILL IN LOW RANGE AND DO NOT PLAN ON SLOWING DOWN USING THE BRAKES.

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Ha. Vehicles that burn gas?

The bicycle is the real SHTF vehicle. Ask the Vietnamese.

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Now just combine the two. Put a bicycle rack on the back of your bug out vehicle. The BOV becomes your stage 1 booster for as long as you can gas it. Then you climb aboard your bicycle to take it from there.

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Maybe someone can make a more rugged, off-road version of this thing. Give it a decent name while you're at it and keep the "green points".


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Are you serious?

Properly equipped with locking diff's, 33" good tires, and a 4" lift there is virtually nowhere sane that you can't go with a Blazer. The first gen's had rust issues (like all vehicles of that era), but the second gen's were somewhat better, especially the last few years they were made. I've had both versions.

For off roading, the 1st gen's are the best (smaller, lighter, more nimble). I went off roading a while back in my 72 and was amazed again at how good it was. Then I noticed it wasn't even in 4WD (locked the hubs but forgot to engage the front driveshaft)! The locking rear diff alone can take you almost anywhere...

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How's the egg nog, eugene?

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Completely serious...Get them in a tight spot and watch the limited slip frontend simply sit there and slip..If you hit the hills or deep mudholes hard, then you can plow through them, but if you ever get stuck, you're through.

If I was going to have something smaller than my deuce to prowl around the woods with, it would be a Suzuki Samurai WAY before I ever bought another rusty Blazer...By the way, did I mention rust?

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Actually, my first deuce was purcahsed from an individual, so it's not exactly a new "toy"...

What "passed" for me was my childhood fascination for full size Blazers and Jimmy's...

Deuces are loud in the cab, but with an app. 475 cubic inch multifuel engine under the hood, it should be loud... The military made them tough, not full of creature comforts...Although my keeper does an have improved spring-ride driver's seat, personnel heater and newly reconditioned padded passenger bench.

As to brake problems, it comes mainly due to people not following their military TM's and adding non-silicone brake fluid to the system. Most people are not aware of this. This wreaks havoc with the brakes on the M35A2 deuces and will eventually lead to brake failure.

Also, the earlier gasser models are worse than blazers...Poor automatic transmissions, brake problems and horrendous fuel mileage.

If I am going to have a deuce, it will be an M35A2 with a well maintained multifuel engine.

If you lived close to me, I'd buy your deuce(s) if they were reaonably priced. As I said, I could use a few parts vehicles to store.

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Thank you my good man!

:coolbeer:

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You're Welcome! What are you running for tires? I'm 80% road riding, commuting to work etc. then spend every weekend out on the fire roads and trails.
I'm running Metzeler Sahara's and they do a great job on and off road and last about 4500 miles.
The KLR 650 is just an awesome bike, damn thing will go anywhere and still will sit at 75 MPH on the slab just as comfortable as you please!:banana:
Check this vid, they were testing the 2008 in Panama:

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Yep, have an LMC catalog ordered in the mail. I checked the parts and you're right on target. Rust is a concern but when it can be cut out and replaced it's virtually a non-issue. Had my rig out four-wheelin' a few times yesterday and WOW, it's amazing.

Sorry, no pics of my adventures yet.

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Yup - buddy has an '87 4WD Suburban and he told me the very same thing. People don't realize that these newer lighter supposedly fuel efficient rigs suck gas when heavily loaded down.

The GAS issues that have been brought up stem from the ole carburetor technology. I can set this rig up with a throttle body fuel-injection and tune-port intake manifold which will increase the efficiency. Lots of ways to improve fuel economy but for now I'm not worried about it.

However, I do seriously need to buy some more gas cans and start planning for a roof rack with a light bar. A well equipped rig is what I now need to work on.

:ok:

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REALISTIC SHTF transportation
http://www.freakingnews.com/images/a...key-cart-1.jpg

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Samuarai's are great off roaders, but a motorcycle will carry as much gear :4_1_72:

A decently equipped Blazer will go anywhere a Samurai will (except for tight places), and sometimes further. It certainly will go anywhere a big duece will ever go, and much faster too.

If you're worrying about only one front tire spinning on a Blazer, you can always buy a locker. Due to the popularity of Dana 44's and corp 10 bolts, they are relatively common, or swap in a Dana 60 for a bullet proof front.

With rust, well, get out the Mig and start replacing panels. I don't see too many other cars of that era around, so the Blazer is no better or worse than any other car of that era.

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I've got a tuned port fuel injection from a 85 Camaro that I bought off ebay and never installed, along with all the sensor's etc. The only thing I haven't purchased is the ECM. I'd let it go pretty cheap if interested...

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Took my deuce out today...WHAT a ride compared to something my Chevy dealer attempted to sell as state of the art comfort 20 years ago....

Everyone on the road got out of the way of it...Folks at the fuel pumps gathered around asking questions...I explained that I was having it completely restored to Vietnam specs inclding my recently purchased M66 gun ring and static M60 MG...

It went 50 MPH solidly and was steady, hardcore and powerful....10,000 LB PTO driven winch at the front....10 wheel drive NDT military tread tires all the way around....simply awesome and unexplainablke to anyone that doesn't own one...

In fact, it made my 72-87 Blazers seem like weak metrosexual garbage...I'll never own another one of those rusty POS....

Just because you are scared to work on it because GM didn't provide you with their manual doesn't make it evil

I love my $2500 deuce....

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Here's the Official GIM SHTF battle wagon.

http://forum.planetrock.co.uk/cfs-fi...rs-tank-ii.jpg

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I keep thinking "John Rambo!" every time I look at your machine. I want one exactly like you have it in the picture.

:adore:

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Well that certainly is a nice example of an Army truck, and I'm sure there is a bit of an intimidation factor seeing that in the rearview mirror, but everyone getting out of the way would mean stepping on the gas and losing you:banana: My Blazer would do 50 in low range:rofl:

Seriously, I've driven enough large trucks to know that I don't want to make a hobby of driving them around for fun. Does that truck even have a suspension, or springs on the seat:4_1_72:

For hauling gear your truck won't be beat though, and I'm sure you draw alot of attention driving that thing. Cheers :ok:

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Can a person sell Ice Cream out of the Official GIM SHTF battle wagon?

Going to war with the gov't and battling Obamatron zombies can make a GIMer hungry and you do not want GIMers starving in the heat of battle in a SHTF scenario.

:biggrin:

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You and your woman should top that sucker off and make the Key West road trip in it!

Bring lots of fuel charge cards!

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Haha! Funny you should say that...I mentioned the same thing and we both laughed for the ridiculousness of it...

Top speed is 50-MPH, but believe it or not, fuel mileage is about 13 MPG but around 8MPG under full pull. It is designed as simultaneous multifuel, so I run diesel and sometimes a little gasoline at the same time. The former owner ran used, strained vegetable oil and it ran good...When I got it, the exhaust still smelled like McDonalds at noon~:smile:

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Agreed on the everyday part...Yes, my truck has a piston/shock driven spring ride seat. The passenger seat is a solid mount, but both has all new foam and NOS military upholstery. The heater works well and once on the road, it drives fairly easily...Tight spots, not so easy.

As to ride, it amazingly rides fairly well...It is somewhat stiff, but the rear-ends are fully articulating so it essentially "rocks" over objects similar to tandem trailers. It also has an "air shift" front axle, which engages the front wheels with the flip of an air switch while driving.

My only complaint is that my truck has no power steering. The military retrofitted trucks with modernized power steering. I am going to invest in a "air-o-matic" power steering kit, but I hate to pay the $1200 asking price....

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I like it. Good clearance and you can mod it easily.

I had an old suburban that I finally killed recently. Good truck though, tough as hell in stock form. Without any of 4x4 experience and with crappy street tires I was still going over and through things that the jeep yuppies wouldn't. Plus it would tow stuff that challenged the tow trucks. By the end I was using it more as a tractor, pulling around trees and ramming into stuff... believe me, it will take a beating and not even stall, doing stuff I was sure would break it. I put it through more than 2 feet of snow and some deep mud and deep water... no snorkel kit for me. The thing just kept going, on worn old Michilen LTX tires. I've owned a few 4x4's, some with better technology (or at least a posi diff), but nothing pushed through like that truck. As long as you didn't let off the gas, you didn't stop.

A duece is cool and all but the suburban fit (barely) in the garage, I could park it at work, and the girlfriend or anyone else could drive it if I couldn't. Plus it attracted no questions or attention.

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I just picked up a 1971 M-109A3 for 1200 with 20k on the odomoter put 3500 driving it home ran like a champ the whole way across country not as nice as yours (needs some rust repair and paint)

I am thourghly in love with the multi fuel engine.

I'm putting on a better Turbo off a 5.9 cummings soon I'll let you know how that works out.

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Good man....

These M35A2 trucks cost the US government $46,500 in 1969!

They are tough and will absolutely climb a tree and use basically any fuel to do it....

They should be the GIM trademark vehicle....

Read this account of what happened with a man that had one during Katrina...

It's a real eye opener...He blew right through 75 roadblocks during the hurricane being waved on by police, NG and regular army...

Try that in a rusted out Blazer...

http://lonestar-mvpa.org/events/2005/05_Katrina.htm

I have another for sale right now....6500 miles on total rebuild..465 LDT Multifuel engine, (diesel/gas/vegetable oil/burned motor oil, whatever)...Great interior, "D" turbo, hardtop, airshift front axle, perfect tires, new brakes, near new Deka batteries, cargo cover, troop seats, racks, spare, all gauges work, CARC camo paint....Price is $3350 as shown below

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Went green last month and bought one of these:

http://images.cars.com/main/DMI/103801/7072.jpg
1997 Yukon

Paid a little more than AD, but it was my mechanics vehicle that he completely upgraded (replaced engine, all fluids, all hoses etc...) for his wife. She drove it for a week and said it was too big, so he dumped it.

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Man, I've never owned a motorcyle, and don't have a license, but I am thinking about taking the local rider training class and buying a KLR 650 after reading some of the posts in this thread! That looks like my kind of bike!
Sorry to thread-highjack, maybe we should start a separate Kawasaki KLR 650 thread...

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First and foremost, my M1028A2 is a 6800 lb vehicle with a N/A 6.2L J-CODE DIESEL ENGINE that WILL burn anything your deuce will. These are NOT 'off the shelf vehicles that were painted geen'. Don't believe me - go have a chat with BOB S over on whenshtf.com as he WORKED for the military ON the CUCV program. He says the military only made two mistakes with this program, given the parameters they had to work with in the early 1980's. The mistakes? ALL the CUCV's should have had Dana 60 axles. The Blazer M1009 did not. The other mistake is they should have produced the Suburban that they tested (again with the Dana 60 axles).

Other than that, the 6.2L diesel in it's J-code military form, gets 18-22 mpg in my Blazer given it's 3.08 gearing and NP208 transfer case mated to the TH400 transmission. Because of the 4.56 gears in my dually, it's mpg suffers, but it will haul a load for sure.

Perhaps this is true where YOU live. Out here in the west? Not such a problem. With rust or disappearing Suburbans/Blazers. Oh, and the 6.2L diesel engine, mated to the TH400 transmission went in over 1 million light AND HEAVY DUTY trucks. Go look at a mid eighties bread truck. Drive train parts are drive train parts.

And to be completely clear, this SAME power train is what powered the Hummers for the first 'cycle' of their existence in the military. The CUCV program was SIMPLY a stop gap measure, as the military let contracts FOR the hummer in 1981 and awarded production in 1983, TWO YEARS before ANY of the CUCV's were ever produced. The military purchased 75,000 M1009 Blazers and 75,000 M1008/M1010/M1031/M1028 et al pickup trucks.

Here is info on the HMMWV.

AM General was among 3 companies awarded Phase I contracts in July 1981. Those contracts provided funding for production of prototype HMMWV vehicles for the US military to test. In March 1983, the government selected AM General to manufacture the HMMWV. During the governments testing of the prototypes, AM General engineers made various design modifications based on performance issues raised by the government.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...ound/hmmwv.htm

Your ASSUMPTION that the CUCV's were ever made for front line combat is bogus. This was never the intent for these vehicle. Though they WERE pressed into duty whenever they were required to and did the job required of them. You see where it says 'During the governments testing of the prototypes, AM General engineers made various design modifications based on performance issues raised by the government'? That would be people like BOB S over on whenshtf.com who WORKED on these programs. And just because they 'raised performance issues' doesn't mean they always got what they wanted (see above).

Your looking down your nose at one form of MILITARY VEHICLE over another is simply a lack of knowledge and trying to project YOUR NEEDS onto someone else, which will never work. The military bought into the CUCV program because it would fulfill a need that they at the time. They figured out that a soldier didn't NEED to jump into a duece to run an errand on base. Plus the CUCV program actually addressed the issue of what to replace it's aging fleet of vehicles with BEFORE the HMMWV came on line full bore. Once that happened, the CUCV's were pawned off to all the NG unit's. Eventually they have been sold off from all the NG units. There may STILL be one or two CUCV's in active duty, but I doubt it.

They served this country quite well. Doing the job they were designed to do. Which was NEVER front line combat. EVER.

Having said ALL THAT, I like deuces.

Here are four items you should have for YOUR deuce.

1) Aircraft Dynamics Robotool


2) 20 ton air/hydraulic jack


3) SAE 1" Socket set


4) Goodyear 50' air hose

Every deuce I've looked at has the compressor and air tank for the brake system. Every deuce I've looked at also has a place to attach an air hose to generally at the rear.

With the four items I posted above, you can change a flat tire fairly quickly. The 50 ft air hose means you can reach any part of your deuce. The air over hydraulic jack means you just push down on the lever and up your truck goes. The Robotool and 1" socket set means you can pop off those six lug nuts off in a heart beat. And they go back on just as easy.

Consider super singling your deuce. Use six lug budd wheels in the 22" size that will allow you to use commercial truck tires. I chose Michelin XDY's and I got LESS rolling resistance. Which upped my MPG, upped my top end speed (a function of the slight larger tire size) and I no longer felt it NEEDED any power steering. A VERY good investment, as the tires can be fixed on the side of the road without a cage (something YOU CAN'T DO SAFELY with your NDCC tires), and the tires were much quieter on the highway. Plus if you have problems with a tire, you can pull in to any truck stop and get a new (or used) tire to fit in case you shred one. Which does happen. And you only need new ones on the front steering tires, the other four can be retreads (as can the spare).

Regarding not being able to speak to each other while riding in a deuce. Yes, you can. You just need to do a few minor things.

1) Install a MUFFLER on that straight exhaust. Easily done, cost should be less than $100 for the muffler itself. If you do all the work, it's great.

2) Plug all the HOLES in the firewall of the truck. There are NUMEROUS holes in the trucks firewall that allow all sorts of road noise and smells in. A couple of tubes of silicone sealer works great.

3) Use some form of noise reducer applied TO the floor and firewall of the deuce. I used FATMAT, but I know guys that used everything from Dynamat to using one of the roll on liners. Once you've done this, install some jute padding and then a rubber floor.

4) Put a layer of FATMAT (or other noise absorber) UNDER the hood. You can even put some against the firewall, but as you should have done that on the inside in step #3 above, it would just be a redundancy factor.

If you do these things (unless you've got a whistler turbo), your conversations can be held at normal levels while rolling down the highway at 65 mph. Don't forget to turn your radio down.

Like I said. Been there. DONE THAT.

Took a BORROWED DEUCE on a 1000 mile round trip to SLC to pick up some mil surp and brought it back to Denver. Still got about ten pieces left and they are all mine. I sold the rest, covered all expenses and made a few bucks. Plus had a great adventure. I was taking the pix. My buddy was still in the deuce when I took this shot. Note the FREIGHTLINER in the background. That's WHY we stopped. The visual comparison between the old tech that was the deuce is stark against the new tech that is the current military issued Freightliner. Note the muffler on the super singled borrowed deuce.

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One of my neighbors managed to roll his deuce when the road he was building on the side of the hill gave way.

He has a dump bed on it. When he elevated the bed center of gravity came up and over it went.
Rolled it back on to its wheels let it set for a while, fired it back up and drove it back up the hill.

There was amazingly little damage. Crushed the cab, muffler and window.

He cut the top off welded another back on. It was in use a week later.

Blazers and deuces are apples and oranges.

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Get yourself some lockers, and you can go almost anywhere in that thing. Check out some of the offroad forums for how to instructions and parts... pirate4x4 dot com is my favorite.

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:RockOn: That's awesome !!! .....drove my K5 to work for the first time today !

:signs1:

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great info in here. I may have to pick up a 6.2 diesel 4x4 blazer or full size truck in the near future.

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Chud
Check out:
www.klr650.net, it's all about klr650's from all the years and from people all over the world. I can't go there right now
becase it will drive me crazy when there's 2 feet of snow here and I can't go ride!!! :bawling: :bawling: :bawling: :bawling:

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I keep hearing rust, rust, rust .... Are you anti-rust guys serious? If rust, in any amount, is a deal breaker for you .... I don't care what vehicle you're rooting for, it's a lost cause: buy a horse.

Every vehicle eventually rusts out. Fixing it isn't rocket science. I'm redoing the entire underside of a '91 S-10 ext cab, using nothing but salvage sheet metal. Old computer cases for the most part. Unlike the Blazer, the floor is highly textured and rounded for stiffness. I almost decided to straighten it out, but finally decided to be faithful to the original. It takes a while, but my hand crafted parts cost nothing but sweat, and are at least as strong as the original. And it'll last forever, because when it rusts again, I'll just fix it again. EVERYTHING will last forever if you can fabricate the parts you need. Blazer or Deuce .... I'll see both of you to the crusher because my parts supply doesn't ever run out.

And when it comes to SHTF vehicles ... THAT is the single most important point ....can you fix it when it fails ... because I guarantee you it will.


Oh, and don't slight the Suzuki. Treated right, with a skilled driver .. it's an insanely capable ride, with a power/weight ratio to die for.

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What Professur said.

What, you guys don't watch 'car shows' on Speed channel or Spike channel?

My favorite guy is Stacey David (TRUCKS! and GEARS), but he's been a friend now for several years so I'm somewhat prejudiced.

If you guys are afraid of some rust and don't want to fix it, then yeah. Start walking. Or get a horse.

Cause if it's made of iron, IT WILL EVENTUALLY RUST. Although, some parts of the country seem to cause it to occur much quicker. Out here in the west, where the average humidity is WELL below 50% most of the year, things seem to not rust nearly as much. BUT RUST THEY CAN and rust they will, eventually.

I got my BEST MV from out of Ft. DRUM, NY and it has ONE spot of rust out metal (bottom of the passengers side cab - easily replaced next summer). But the deuce I bought from a guy locally had zero rust that I could find as well, but had OTHER issues. All related to maintenance not having been done on it for several years.

I am personally partial to the 1973 - 1991 body style GM truck/sub and have owned eight or ten of them over the past twenty years or so. Mainly Suburbans until I got into MV's. Now I've got the Blazer and the Dually. Love'em both. Plenty of head, hip and leg room for this 6'1", 220 lb guy.

Suzuki's are great trucks. Now if I could just find TWO. You know, one for EACH FOOT. I mean, come on. I'm 6'1" and fitting into ANY small vehicle is a challenge. But the Suzuki was the worst. No matter what I tried, I just could NOT get comfortable in one. They are GREAT light weight 4x4s that are tough as nails. Kind of the poor mans jeep so to speak. But at least in a jeep, I can fit in. We've owned two CJ7s. Loved them both. Got rid of both of them, in both instances we were moving and they were just one more vehicle to transport, drag or drive half way across the country. So they both got sold.

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Wallew, Wlit Chamberlain used to drive a Mini Austin. Granted, he had to remove the front seats and sit in back to do it, but he managed.

BTW, you do know that you big people are going to be as a significant disadvantage when TSHTF and food gets short.

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Well it's kinda hard to get short...

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Naw, ain't that tough ...



ROFL

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So, if I'm looking at a mid eighties diesel 4x4 blazer (non-milspec), what should I look for that are common problems? The guy says it needs batteries and tires but is otherwise fine.

Did these all come with A/C?

How can I tell which tranny it has and should I care?

Never driven a 4x4 before, how do I engage 4WD?

If it was in decent shape, what would it be worth, approx? it has 115k miles.

Thanks

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This thread has gone berzerk. I think the OP got a fantastic deal on that truck. That is a running decent 4*4 lifted at least 4" with big tires and rims. That blazer must have a bunch of money just in mods for suspension. I don't see any rust, but I am sure it lurks there. Maybe this thread should be moved to survival.

On a positive note, I bought a nice m1028 with 62k on it a few weeks back. It's a bit slow but it is very mechanically sound. If you can get one of these GL that is in good shape, you have made a nice bargain. They are totally utility, and very heavy duty, and if maintained right, they are sweet low miles diesels that you can crawl basic areas with. I won't build mine up as a crawler or anything. It's a wood-fetching and snowy/muddy road truck, farm use. You can also take the cucv to the next level and completely modify and mud-truck it. I just don't care to do that just yet, maybe in a bit. I have seen some badass m1009 and 1008 and 1028 rigs built up.

You can't find a better deal than AG got on that blazer with those mods. That's a sick deal. Those wheels and tires alone are probably worth what he paid. Nice deal and nice truck!

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biggest issue with 6.2/6.5 is the injection pump, very pricey. make sure it runs before you buy. the trans is most likely the 700r4, decent enough if maintained.4x4 is engaged by pulling the lever on the floor rearward.here is my blazer with a 400 small block that i finally ended up with.

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Thanks, GB. Anyone else care to chime in?

I also thought of another question, what kind of differentials did these come with stock? Do they have limited slip or a locker on the front or rear axles?

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:clap2:Thank you and here are some STATS on that big red truck:

*1976 Chevrolet Blazer K5 w/Cheyenne trim
*Original 350-cid (numbers match) 85k miles with running A/C and heater
*350 Turbo Tranny
*6" Suspension Lift (re-arched springs front & back w/Rancho extended lift shocks all around)
*Dana 44 axle in front and 12-bolt Chevy truck rear axle
*38.5 x 12.5 x 15" Super Swamper TSL tires (new about $300 each)
*There's some rust in the rockers under each door but the frame, bed, and supports are clean and rust free.
*It drives straight and true on the highway and is freakin' AWESOME off-road.......nearly unstoppable.

:RockOn:

**Note : moving this thread as suggested to survival.

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Beautiful truck man, I digg it ! :emotions16:

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Well, as an OWNER of two milspec 6.2L's and the previous owner of a 6.2L civvy model, I CAN TELL YOU the civvy 6.2L has weak rear main seals.

I've got a guy that will sell you a remanufactured IP for around $225 after you ship him your IP for a refund - with core charge it's something like $350 - compare that to a good carb and you are WELL within what it would cost for a new carb.

MOST of the trannys put behind the 6.2L in the mid 80's was the TH400 tranny. Most of the transfer cases were NP208's.

For mouse, a pix of MY M1028A2 dually. I've removed the cover over the bed so I can use it as a hauler.

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Nice Dually ~ got any more pics of her ?

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TAD,
Sure, I'm an attention whore! Love to show off my green iron. She's only got 16k miles on her. And that's AFTER I drove her back 2000 miles from Ft. Drum, NY to Denver, Colorado. When I bought her she only had 13,198 on her. And she rides and drives like it.

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HEY MAYHEM, if you do blow that engine, let me know. I know where you can get a J-code engine that WILL NOT blow up. Think about it. If a 19 year old green army grunt can't blow the motor out of the HMMWV when it first came out, I kinda figure it will work for my needs. Perhaps yours as well. $500 generally gets one in the can. The can itself weighs more than the motor, so from a shipping standpoint, that's not necessarily a good thing.

And that is ONE SWEET BLAZER. The wife and I love SUBS. But dang man, that would cause me wife to rethink that. If ya ever just gotta let go of it, contact me. My WIFE would love that one. It's a little too cushy for me, but for the wife? It's a beauty for sure - your Blazer AND my wife - is she still standing over my shoulder?

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Here's my new rig. Best of all, spare parts are everywhere and it's disguised as a local; worst of all it gets lousy mpg.

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Those Chevy one ton's are tanks. With a turbo 400 or 4speed, NP205, 14 bolt rear, and Dana 60 front, those things are tough as nails, cheap to buy parts for, and very easily modded. Is that a 350 or 454?

I have a 2005 Dodge 1 ton SRW crewcab longbox. The heavy Cummins is tough on front end suspension/steering parts, but otherwise a tank as well.

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It's got the 350/465/205 D60F/C14R w/4.56gears, has a cmptr to run the TBI but I've got a carb'd/point'd 350 as backup (thinking EMP since I live near a 1st strike target). Used to be a Forest Service rig. That front bumper is sure nice for engine bay access. Spare parts are literally laying around in most everyones' back yard, some Ford & Dodge parts will fit. It's new to me and was a cheap alternative to all of the newer crews around now. I'm looking a winch for it now any recommendations?

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As a GM service tech I can tell you not only were the seals bad in non mil spec engines the Crankshafts commonly snapped in BOTH versions of the 6.2. as for the question ,I was speaking of the most common failure of those engines, I know most of the diesels had TH400 transmissions,but most have been replaced with 700r4 units since then.personally i avoid the diesels of that period,have knockout issues that cant be resolved on the side of a road. they leak,are expensive to repair,and a carbureted Gasser is much more KISS.BUT ifi had the opportunity to buy a 6.2truck at a good price id be on that.

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where can a guy come up with one of those...and what sort of $

great piece o iron

Thx

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Hey ttazman,

These guys had a couple 1008's and a blazer a while back. I think they get them in fairly often. I got my 1028 from them, decent guys and willing to bargain. www.wheelerauto.com in Springfield. If you have the time and don't mind risking getting a loser, you can get them from govliquidation.com but then you need to arrange transport and pray that it's a good one. If you don't bid more than you can part it out for, you probably get a better deal that way.

The ones at wheelerauto are all from fort riley kansas. mine came with the service book, manual, a bunch of the repair logs and inspection reports but it has some rust. Mechanically perfect, I had to replace a couple leaky hoses and get an alignment and that's it. It's my wood truck and local go getter now.

PM if you want more info.

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TTAZZMAN,

Several places.

You can do research over on www.steelsoldiers.com and look in the CUCV forum and the classifieds for this sized vehicles. But if larger is where you are at, look in the deuce section or classified.

OR, watch things sell over on Government Liquidation ...

http://www.govliquidation.com/auctio...y1_munged=7587

That link should show current trucks on auction or about to go on auction.

And then there are private sellers like the one listed above or these guys here in Denver...

http://www.classicmustangs.com/militaryinventory.htm

I paid $4500 for the Blazer and it's got around 63k miles, that I put the last 6k miles on. The dually has 16k miles on it, and I put 3k on it since I got it and drove it home, which was 2k of that amount. I got the dually for around $6000 (but there's a side story that I need a drink to repeat) that cost me more in having it delivered by someone else.

You BEST bet is to watch Gov Liq and a military base near you. That makes going to get your vehicle much closer.

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Am I seeing this right??? I can buy one of these for $150??? How do I know if this thing runs?

http://www.govliquidation.com/auctio...&convertTo=USD

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Bidding starts at $150. You don't know if it runs. Most of them tell you right in the listing that it "doesn't run", has no keys, etc. Most of em need a lookover and a couple batteries, etc. It's not a risk free thing. If you were local and could look at them in person, you could make some bucks flipping them around.